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 楼主| 发表于 2009-10-29 22:43:52 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>陶醉居</i>在2009-10-29 6:46:21的发言:</b><br/>
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<div>&nbsp; 一件高仿品! </div><br/></td>
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<p>能称为高仿的,估计价值也不会太低吧,谢兄夸奖。。</p>
发表于 2009-10-29 23:14:34 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>三叶草堂</i>在2009-10-29 22:28:51的发言:</b><br/>
       
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<div><div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>藏壺</i>在2009-10-28 9:33:02的发言:</b><br/>
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<div>&nbsp;漂亮新壺,實用器! </div><br/></td>
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<p>回藏壶兄,壶约500CC,太大,并不实用,且有好几处暗的穿线,不敢用。。<br/>至于新旧,这把小弟存保留意见,不断学习。。</p>
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</div><p></p>三葉兄壺識豐富,大家先就圖片資訊探討交流~<br/>紫砂傳承有序,一般不會有太出格的表現!此壺型常見在清中以上朱泥壺,所以容量多在100~200cc左右,此為其一疑問!<br/>最重要是泥料部分,就第二圖可清晰看出砂料顆粒感分布不均,包漿光澤停留在壺表不透胎骨故不看好!<br/>工和款沒看到圖片沒法多作評判,但就前兩項以可判斷非老壺。<br/>另外在判斷新老問題時,品相並不太在考量因素!供參<br/>
 楼主| 发表于 2009-10-30 01:18:10 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>藏壺</i>在2009-10-29 23:14:34的发言:</b><br/>
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<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>三叶草堂</i>在2009-10-29 22:28:51的发言:</b><br/>
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<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>藏壺</i>在2009-10-28 9:33:02的发言:</b><br/>
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<p>回藏壶兄,壶约500CC,太大,并不实用,且有好几处暗的穿线,不敢用。。<br/>至于新旧,这把小弟存保留意见,不断学习。。</p></div><br/></td>
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<p></p>三葉兄壺識豐富,大家先就圖片資訊探討交流~<br/>紫砂傳承有序,一般不會有太出格的表現!此壺型常見在清中以上朱泥壺,所以容量多在100~200cc左右,此為其一疑問!<br/>最重要是泥料部分,就第二圖可清晰看出砂料顆粒感分布不均,包漿光澤停留在壺表不透胎骨故不看好!<br/>工和款沒看到圖片沒法多作評判,但就前兩項以可判斷非老壺。<br/>另外在判斷新老問題時,品相並不太在考量因素!供參<img  title="中国壶迷论坛" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.zghmbbs.com/images/emot/em27.gif" onload="imgresize(this);" align="middle" border="0"/><img  title="中国壶迷论坛" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.zghmbbs.com/images/emot/em27.gif" onload="imgresize(this);" align="middle" border="0"/><img  title="中国壶迷论坛" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.zghmbbs.com/images/emot/em27.gif" onload="imgresize(this);" align="middle" border="0"/><br/></div><br/></td>
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<p>首先,感谢总版的认真应帖点评。。<br/>三叶按自己的理解认知探讨,有误之处还望兄及时指出。。<br/>在壶形上,此确实为清中早朱泥壶式,但三叶认为应该不排除当时作者用其他泥料来制此壶式的可能性。。<br/>若说仿制,我相信高仿者(谢陶醉居兄将此壶定为高仿)首先在壶识上的认知应该是有一定造诣的,且如今的仿者一般都是手握原件再动手的,何必去吃力不讨好地将朱泥小壶做成紫砂大壶。。(刚好此壶底款为朱泥刻款玉珍斋)<br/>在泥料部分,三叶不懂沙砾感分布不均匀是意味着什么,还望赐教,谢。。<br/>重点在壶身包浆外浮不留胎骨,兄一针见血。。<br/>此壶胎含砂量较高,壶内胎土似活性炭。入手极轻,84彻底清洁后的此壶全无神采。。<br/>此壶小弟仅用开水闷过两次,平时难得用干毛巾擦拭盘养之。。<br/>出来的应该就是照片上的效果。。<br/>三叶认为这应该是还原烧褪火(一氧化氮)比较充分的特征。。<br/>因为充分褪火后外浮的釉光和泡茶养壶,明针刮,或者掺玻璃水出来的包浆是不一样的。。<br/>还有,您说的看新老品相不在参考因素这一点小弟知道,小弟不过是主观地认为这些细小的裂痕感觉是时间留下的痕迹。。<br/>另,小弟已将此壶重新洗去包浆,改天再上图大家看看呆滞如乡下大姑娘的模样如何。。<br/><br/></p>
发表于 2009-10-30 07:24:09 | 显示全部楼层
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<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">1&nbsp; 三叶兄好。<br/>2&nbsp; <font face="Verdana">呵呵,三叶兄的回答比较犀利。小弟所说照片的“老味”只是指光感很舒服而已,曝光有些过度,但别有情趣,并无他意。只从兄所发的两张图片来判断新壶老壶,小弟不会多做评判。<br/>3&nbsp; 从兄所分享的两张图片来看,小弟眼拙,确实没有<font face="Verdana">看出任何穿线,加之壶形为小弟大爱之类形,故称之为“利器”。<br/><br/>ps:期待三叶兄分享新图片。(握手)<br/></font></font><b><br/><br/>以下是引用<i>三叶草堂</i>在2009-10-29 22:41:01的发言:</b><br/>
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<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>一壶漂泊</i>在2009-10-28 22:44:20的发言:</b><br/>
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<p>呵呵~~三叶老师拍的照片越来越有老味了。(握手)</p>
<p>饮茶利器,漂亮!!<img title="中国壶迷论坛" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.zghmbbs.com/images/emot/em17.gif" onload="imgresize(this);" align="middle" border="0"/></p></div><br/></td>
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<p>首先,三叶是新人,不断学习中,和兄所说的老师沾不上任何关系。。<br/>其次,三叶爱壶,但至今为止没有出手过任何一件紫砂器,兄有话请直说,至于如何把照片拍出老味,小弟实在不懂,还望兄释疑。。<br/>还有,此壶再多泡茶恐怕要散架了,和兄所叙述的利器似乎也沾不上边的。。</p></div><br/></td>
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-10-31 01:39:41 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>流星花园</i>在2009-10-30 7:24:09的发言:</b><br/>
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<p>大家的意见很正确,别专牛角尖了。如三叶兄能坚持玩下去,相信用不了多长时间,兄会觉得你上面的话很好笑。<img  title="中国壶迷论坛" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.zghmbbs.com/images/emot/em01.gif" onload="imgresize(this);" align="middle" border="0"/></p></div><br/></td>
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<p>流兄好,三叶其实没有任何理由不坚持玩下去的。。<br/>难道一个热爱紫砂的新人执着地想弄清楚一些关于紫砂方面认知您真的觉得那么可笑??<br/>即便现在我的认知全部是错的,如果我到了垂暮之年,<br/>我想我还是会为自己的认真而感到无比的骄傲的。。<br/><br/>再次申明,我不是壶商,不是硬要把新仿品说成到代老件,不过是想通过手里的东西,对于紫砂有更深层次的认知。。<br/>谢谢。。</p>
 楼主| 发表于 2009-10-31 01:49:48 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>一壶漂泊</i>在2009-10-30 21:52:13的发言:</b><br/>
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<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">1&nbsp; 三叶兄好。<br/>2&nbsp; <font face="Verdana">呵呵,三叶兄的回答比较犀利。小弟所说照片的“老味”只是指光感很舒服而已,曝光有些过度,但别有情趣,并无他意。只从兄所发的两张图片来判断新壶老壶,小弟不会多做评判。<br/>3&nbsp; 从兄所分享的两张图片来看,小弟眼拙,确实没有<font face="Verdana">看出任何穿线,加之壶形为小弟大爱之类形,故称之为“利器”。<br/><br/>ps:期待三叶兄分享新图片。(握手)<br/></font></font><b><br/><br/>以下是引用<i>三叶草堂</i>在2009-10-29 22:41:01的发言:</b><br/>
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<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>一壶漂泊</i>在2009-10-28 22:44:20的发言:</b><br/>
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<p>呵呵~~三叶老师拍的照片越来越有老味了。(握手)</p>
<p>饮茶利器,漂亮!!<img title="中国壶迷论坛" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.zghmbbs.com/images/emot/em17.gif" onload="imgresize(this);" align="middle" border="0"/></p></div><br/></td>
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<p>首先,三叶是新人,不断学习中,和兄所说的老师沾不上任何关系。。<br/>其次,三叶爱壶,但至今为止没有出手过任何一件紫砂器,兄有话请直说,至于如何把照片拍出老味,小弟实在不懂,还望兄释疑。。<br/>还有,此壶再多泡茶恐怕要散架了,和兄所叙述的利器似乎也沾不上边的。。</p></div><br/></td>
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<p>一壶兄好,可能昨天的情绪稍微有些激动,加之对您的措辞有了误会<br/>在这里真诚地致以歉意,握手。。<br/>照片我真的拍不好,兄看出我调过光感度,其实一是原来的照片光线比较暗,二是我想努力把壶身的调出原色,见笑了<br/>壶身确有好几条细小的裂痕,但三叶实在没办法拍出来<br/>既然是兄大爱壶形,不论真伪,我想总有机会让兄上手看看的。。<br/><br/>新的图片当然还是会帖的,论坛那么好的平台,不交流学习,那是莫大的浪费。。</p>
发表于 2009-10-31 06:33:39 | 显示全部楼层
&nbsp;<font size="3">&nbsp; 不管讨论的结果如何认知. 三叶兄的执着今人佩服!&nbsp; <br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 玩壶者尤要: 淡泊 ......&nbsp;&nbsp;(我还是一句老话: 当贴出就要受之.)&nbsp; 在别人的赏识中找出正确的和错误的(这一点您已经在做,很好!) 但不必一定要争个高下(出言不雅那另当别论).<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 总之,&nbsp;壶是玩者的.&nbsp;&nbsp;待壶好就是天福!<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br/><br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>
发表于 2009-10-31 08:45:13 | 显示全部楼层
淘江湖
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认真理性的探讨 负责务实的各自观点 就物论物 各位都让人尊重。
发表于 2009-10-31 13:13:05 | 显示全部楼层
<p>謝兄貼壺欣賞共同探討.不管新仿.高仿壺漂亮.<br/>作工到位.價格合理還是好的.兄對紫砂的愛好<br/>執著另人敬重.論壇是很好的平台.可以討論<br/>學習的.玩壺愛壺惜福.都是有福之人...<br/></p>
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