三把民生款,揭开民生面纱

陶醉居

<p>&nbsp;确实待考!&nbsp;<br/>&nbsp; 就图:前两把与后两把有些细微区别!</p>

chenxiy0

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>陶醉居</i>在2009-12-29 16:08:19的发言：</b><br/>
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<p>&nbsp;确实待考!&nbsp;<br/>&nbsp; 就图:前两把与后两把有些细微区别!</p></div><br/></td>
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<p>谢谢兄,三把都是民生款.前两把可能是民生早期的壶.也就是1926年到1928年.<br/>文献记载,桂林1926年进吴得盛.吴汉为对他要求很严.第三把是民生1928年秋的作品,已和桂林木瓜没什么区别,说明他进步很快.</p>

遥遥

看不出前两把和后一把的必然关系.桂林的风格自成一派. 没有必要把"民生"和"桂林"联系在一起. 民生的工手也不弱.能让吴先生刻陶的,都不是庸手.一个成熟的制壶家不会用两枚毫不相关的盖款吧? 从道理上说,当时桂林的名气已大, 吴先生请桂林做壶的时候,没必要舍"桂林"款 而专用"民生"款吧? 其他有名的制壶艺人(如胡耀庭)为吴德盛制壶,盖款也是用自己真名的.&nbsp; 自明清以来,宜兴制壶高手多多,有名款而无记载的比比皆是. 个人观点,请高手指正.

chenxiy0

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>遥遥</i>在2009-12-29 17:37:50的发言：</b><br/>
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<div>看不出前两把和后一把的必然关系.桂林的风格自成一派. 没有必要把"民生"和"桂林"联系在一起. 民生的工手也不弱.能让吴先生刻陶的,都不是庸手.一个成熟的制壶家不会用两枚毫不相关的盖款吧? 从道理上说,当时桂林的名气已大, 吴先生请桂林做壶的时候,没必要舍"桂林"款 而专用"民生"款吧? 其他有名的制壶艺人(如胡耀庭)为吴德盛制壶,盖款也是用自己真名的.&nbsp; 自明清以来,宜兴制壶高手多多,有名款而无记载的比比皆是. 个人观点,请高手指正. </div><br/></td>
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<p>兄好.根剧资料.民国十五年（1926），冯桂林经师叔范锦甫（范承甫弟）推荐介绍，成为宜兴“吴德盛陶器行”（亦称“陶器公司”或“陶器店”）的客师。在吴德盛，冯桂林制壶技艺得到进一步提高，由奠基期步入成熟期。<br/>冯桂林在吴德盛制作茶壶，受到吴汉文的严格督导。吴汉文赏壶自有一套，查壶督制更有一招。每到夜半人静，冯桂林等人已入睡，吴汉文却来到工房内，将工房内每个艺人的茶壶拿出来，放到泥凳头，然后离开丈许，坐在方凳上抽袋烟，边抽烟边挑剔茶壶泥坯的毛病，并思索着如何改进的办法，直到看够才离去。第二天就叫艺人们遵照他所要求的作修正，直到满意为止。冯桂林很听话，也依照吴汉文的要求做，技艺日进。进人20世纪30年代才出名.<br/></p>

古宜陶

<font face="Verdana">也</font><font face="Verdana"><font face="Verdana">来</font><font face="Verdana">凑</font><font face="Verdana">个<font face="Verdana">热</font><font face="Verdana">闹,<font face="Verdana">楼</font><font face="Verdana">主<font face="Verdana">为</font><font face="Verdana">什<font face="Verdana">么</font><font face="Verdana">要</font></font></font><font face="Verdana">把</font><font face="Verdana">民<font face="Verdana">生</font><font face="Verdana">与<font face="Verdana">桂</font><font face="Verdana">林<font face="Verdana">联<font face="Verdana">在</font><font face="Verdana">一<font face="Verdana">起?</font><font face="Verdana">是<font face="Verdana">否</font><font face="Verdana">想<font face="Verdana">说<font face="Verdana">明<font face="Verdana">民</font><font face="Verdana">生<font face="Verdana">就<font face="Verdana">是</font><font face="Verdana">桂<font face="Verdana">林</font>?<font face="Verdana">我</font><font face="Verdana">想<font face="Verdana">告</font><font face="Verdana">诉<font face="Verdana">楼</font><font face="Verdana">主:<font face="Verdana">至</font><font face="Verdana">少1925<font face="Verdana">年</font><font face="Verdana">前<font face="Verdana">就</font><font face="Verdana">有</font><font face="Verdana">落</font><font face="Verdana">桂</font><font face="Verdana">林<font face="Verdana">款<font face="Verdana">的</font><font face="Verdana">壶!<font face="Verdana">有<font face="Verdana">时</font><font face="Verdana">候<font face="Verdana">文</font><font face="Verdana">献<font face="Verdana">用</font><font face="Verdana">错<font face="Verdana">地</font><font face="Verdana">方<font face="Verdana">也</font><font face="Verdana">会<font face="Verdana">产</font><font face="Verdana">生<font face="Verdana">误</font><font face="Verdana">导.<font face="Verdana">与</font><font face="Verdana">楼<font face="Verdana">主<font face="Verdana">共</font><font face="Verdana">学.(<font face="Verdana">改</font><font face="Verdana">日<font face="Verdana">上</font><font face="Verdana">乙<font face="Verdana">丑</font><font face="Verdana">年<font face="Verdana">桂</font><font face="Verdana">林<font face="Verdana">款)</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>

金刚钻

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>古宜陶</i>在2009-12-29 23:07:17的发言：</b><br/>
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<div><font face="Verdana">也</font><font face="Verdana"><font face="Verdana">来</font><font face="Verdana">凑</font><font face="Verdana">个<font face="Verdana">热</font><font face="Verdana">闹,<font face="Verdana">楼</font><font face="Verdana">主<font face="Verdana">为</font><font face="Verdana">什<font face="Verdana">么</font><font face="Verdana">要</font></font></font><font face="Verdana">把</font><font face="Verdana">民<font face="Verdana">生</font><font face="Verdana">与<font face="Verdana">桂</font><font face="Verdana">林<font face="Verdana">联<font face="Verdana">在</font><font face="Verdana">一<font face="Verdana">起?</font><font face="Verdana">是<font face="Verdana">否</font><font face="Verdana">想<font face="Verdana">说<font face="Verdana">明<font face="Verdana">民</font><font face="Verdana">生<font face="Verdana">就<font face="Verdana">是</font><font face="Verdana">桂<font face="Verdana">林</font>?<font face="Verdana">我</font><font face="Verdana">想<font face="Verdana">告</font><font face="Verdana">诉<font face="Verdana">楼</font><font face="Verdana">主:<font face="Verdana">至</font><font face="Verdana">少1925<font face="Verdana">年</font><font face="Verdana">前<font face="Verdana">就</font><font face="Verdana">有</font><font face="Verdana">落</font><font face="Verdana">桂</font><font face="Verdana">林<font face="Verdana">款<font face="Verdana">的</font><font face="Verdana">壶!<font face="Verdana">有<font face="Verdana">时</font><font face="Verdana">候<font face="Verdana">文</font><font face="Verdana">献<font face="Verdana">用</font><font face="Verdana">错<font face="Verdana">地</font><font face="Verdana">方<font face="Verdana">也</font><font face="Verdana">会<font face="Verdana">产</font><font face="Verdana">生<font face="Verdana">误</font><font face="Verdana">导.<font face="Verdana">与</font><font face="Verdana">楼<font face="Verdana">主<font face="Verdana">共</font><font face="Verdana">学.(<font face="Verdana">改</font><font face="Verdana">日<font face="Verdana">上</font><font face="Verdana">乙<font face="Verdana">丑</font><font face="Verdana">年<font face="Verdana">桂</font><font face="Verdana">林<font face="Verdana">款)</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font> </div><br/></td>
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<p>期待！</p>

古宜陶

三把民生款,揭开民生面纱

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<br/><font face="Verdana">这</font><font face="Verdana">把<font face="Verdana">乙</font><font face="Verdana">丑<font face="Verdana">年</font>(1925<font face="Verdana">年</font>)<font face="Verdana">桂</font><font face="Verdana">林<font face="Verdana">传</font><font face="Verdana">炉<font face="Verdana">在</font><font face="Verdana">楼<font face="Verdana">主</font><font face="Verdana">眼<font face="Verdana">里</font><font face="Verdana">也<font face="Verdana">是</font><font face="Verdana">假<font face="Verdana">壶</font>!<font face="Verdana">不</font><font face="Verdana">知<font face="Verdana">道<font face="Verdana">有</font><font face="Verdana">无</font><font face="Verdana">再</font><font face="Verdana">讨<font face="Verdana">论<font face="Verdana">之</font><font face="Verdana">必<font face="Verdana">要</font>......</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>

chenxiy0

真假不好说.不过图不清,字也刻的不好.1925年的桂林还在做学徒.<br/>学徒就有款了?就算有款底下也应该有.利用公司吧.<br/>民生我认为是桂林1926年到1930年之间在吴德盛的用款.与兄的壶并不冲突.<br/><br/><br/>

壶图

假如楼主的二把木瓜壶是仿品，讨论还有意义吗？个人观点，讲错请多包涵！

古宜陶

我手上这把壶,我是看不出与民生有什么关连,当然楼主也可以认为是假旳!至于桂林在哪里学徒?又在哪里做壶?什么时期敲什么款......书上不一定能找到,当然有听众也可以自说自话.呵呵.

三把民生款,揭开民生面纱

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三把民生款,揭开民生面纱

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朴居

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>chenxiy0</i>在2009-12-30 12:40:22的发言：</b><br/>
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<div>真假不好说.不过图不清,字也刻的不好.1925年的桂林还在做学徒.<br/>学徒就有款了?就算有款底下也应该有.利用公司吧.<br/>民生我认为是桂林1926年到1930年之间在吴德盛的用款.与兄的壶并不冲突.<br/><br/><br/></div><br/></td>
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<p><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">民</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">生=<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">桂</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">林.<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">桂</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">林=<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">民</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">生.<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">误</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">导?</font></font></font></font></font></p>

朴居

<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">合</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">桃<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">看</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">仿<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">！</font></font></font>

面南背北

请各位高手继续发表高见，等着学习！

朴居

<p><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">古</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">兄<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">这</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">把<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">二</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">五<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">年</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">的<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">桂</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">林<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">传</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">炉<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">无<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">论</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">泥<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">形</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">功<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">刻<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">款</font></font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">都<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">很</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">到<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">位</font>.<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">与</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">楼</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">主<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">几</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">把<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">二</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">六<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">年</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">到<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">三</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">零<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">年</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">的<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">可</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">作<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">个</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">对<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">比</font>.<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">那</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">就<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">很</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">明<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">白</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Verdana">了.</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></p>

大上海1937

<p>听说 民生=桂林,好比听说 金元=玉麟 一样惊鄂.......</p>