【案头清玩】续贴—— 闲话慢聊

恒德堂

<p>这画也许是用较精炼的原矿泥浆所绘。<br/>从明末或清初到乾嘉都有类似的做法！<br/>这匙子做的比较原始！个人应该是雍朝以上的东西。</p>

聆雨堂

<p>款识好像是“其”字？！</p>

晓渔

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>恒德堂</i>在2010-1-22 16:41:14的发言：</b><br/>
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<p>这画也许是用较精炼的原矿泥浆所绘。<br/>从明末或清初到乾嘉都有类似的做法！<br/>这匙子做的比较原始！个人应该是雍朝以上的东西。</p></div><br/></td>
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<p><br/>谢恒德堂兄指教！因为图片上看器皿有局限性，所以有些看法再与兄讨论一下。<br/><br/>紫砂制作因材料不同就决定了烧制后的效果，自古陶瓷制作也是在材料和工艺两者间不断摸索，以求打到尽善之美。<br/>此勺子工艺在此类传世器皿中以属上乘，相比之下同期的很多传器是用模+手捏方法成形。<br/>就此器而言，所选用段泥砂质感极强，在烧制后表面没有结晶效果，所以达不到紫泥的光泽温润，而更显陶器之朴拙。<br/>工艺上利用模板，虚砣辅助成型；装饰起线规整，形制严谨，应该不是“原始”之作！<br/><br/>谈到泥绘的演变和断代问题，在下就以手中实物为标本多说几句：<br/>以传器实物比对，清早期到清中期的泥绘还是差别很大的，究其原因应该是工匠对于材料的使用有了不同的认识。<br/><br/>明末清初的紫砂装饰工艺尚处于启蒙时期，所以对于泥料装饰还仅限于色泥绘制。<br/><br/>而时值雍乾，尤其雍正时期，因紫砂材质具有可塑性较强，易于表现肌理等特点，所以色泥装饰向浮雕方向发展，也就是所谓的堆泥绘。<br/>在此时期，紫砂色泥装饰的技法也逐步发生了变化。在原有泥绘的基础上，堆泥绘是将泥料先至于器皿表面，而后刮去多余泥料显出景物轮廓。有此堆泥技法结合原有泥绘技法更加有效地表现出与中国古典绘画中“皴法”相近的视觉效果。<br/><br/>在实物标本比对中也不难发现，雍正时期的堆绘肌理最厚，在绘制肌理轮廓处多伴有工具刮痕，而明末清初和雍正之后的泥绘此种工具刮痕至今本人没有见到。<br/>雍正时期的泥绘以“堆”为主，而非雍正时期的泥绘更偏重于“绘”和“皴”为主要表现方式。<br/><br/>紫砂装饰技法是在下关注的方向之一，细说起来未免繁杂。目前资料和实物标本均有限，谬误之处还请大家指出，以备研讨。<br/></p>

晓渔

清 泥绘段泥碟<br/><br/>这个以前好像发过的，再贴上共大家一并参考。<br/><br/> <br/><br/><br/><br/> <br/>

晓渔

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【案头清玩】续贴—— 闲话慢聊

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晓渔

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>聆雨堂</i>在2010-1-22 20:38:20的发言：</b><br/>
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<p>款识好像是“其”字？！</p></div><br/></td>
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<p><br/>回聆雨堂兄，小弟拙见也是“其”，不知有何出处？</p>

聆雨堂

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>晓渔</i>在2010-1-22 21:24:36的发言：</b><br/>
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<p>款识好像是“其”字？！</p></div><br/></td>
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<p><br/>回聆雨堂兄，小弟拙见也是“其”，不知有何出处？</p></div><br/></td>
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<p>记忆中有这一款，也是想不起来了！</p>

恒德堂

晓渔兄好！<br/>泥绘与堆泥只是2种表现技法，<br/>我觉得泥绘应该是较“民间”一点，使用的年代较早！<br/>堆泥就相对要晚，它应该是泥绘一种进步，但要相对的复杂/费工。<br/>而后2种技法应该是同时共存的。一直的乾隆后就少了。<br/>此勺应该是用模压！而修工不是太精（我是说原始）！<br/>“其”“其渊”2款或有关联，同类东西这种款不少。<br/>此勺缺少光泽温润可能（1）出土（2）欠火。<br/>一些个人观点。一笑。。

孔雀绿

<p>学习啦，俩位仁兄有见地~</p>

壶说壶有理

感谢好烟壶和好勺分享！<br/>支持恒德堂兄的见解！

舍得斋888

晓渔

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>聆雨堂</i>在2010-1-22 22:12:23的发言：</b><br/>
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<p>款识好像是“其”字？！</p></div><br/></td>
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<p><br/>回聆雨堂兄，小弟拙见也是“其”，不知有何出处？</p></div><br/></td>
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<p>记忆中有这一款，也是想不起来了！</p></div><br/></td>
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<p><br/>没关系，兄有线索时再告诉小弟不迟！</p>

晓渔

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>希致轩</i>在2010-1-23 7:22:30的发言：</b><br/>
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<p>感谢您的欣赏！</p>

晓渔

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>藏山应水</i>在2010-1-23 9:51:36的发言：</b><br/>
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<p>认真听讲，实在学习。</p></div><br/></td>
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<p><br/>欢迎同好多多讨论！</p>