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晓渔

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>恒德堂</i>在2010-1-23 12:32:11的发言：</b><br/>
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<div>晓渔兄好！<br/>泥绘与堆泥只是2种表现技法，<br/>我觉得泥绘应该是较“民间”一点，使用的年代较早！<br/>堆泥就相对要晚，它应该是泥绘一种进步，但要相对的复杂/费工。<br/>而后2种技法应该是同时共存的。一直的乾隆后就少了。<br/>此勺应该是用模压！而修工不是太精（我是说原始）！<br/>“其”“其渊”2款或有关联，同类东西这种款不少。<br/>此勺缺少光泽温润可能（1）出土（2）欠火。<br/>一些个人观点。一笑。。 </div><br/></td>
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<div style="CLEAR: both; OVERFLOW: hidden"></div><img alt="发贴心情" src="http://www.zghmbbs.com/skins/Default/topicface/face1.gif"/> 恒德堂 说: </tr></tbody></table></div>
<p><br/>感谢恒德堂兄指教，紫砂工艺的诸多问题非常值得大家慢慢探讨。<br/><br/>说到工具和工艺的关系，不同时代有着不同的理解。在古代生产力和机械技术有限的情况下，对于模具的认识与现在是不可同日而语的，站在当时的工具条件下，或许模具的运用会否是一种先进的技术呢，姑且假想一下而已，哈！<br/><br/>另兄说这种段泥缺少光泽的可能性源于欠火或出土，晓渔完全同意，这也正是此种材料由整器制作转为装饰土的原因之一吧。<br/><br/>“其”字款是否与“陈其渊”有关小弟不得而知，而手上正好有一“陈其?”的碟子，也请兄与诸位帮忙认识一下，稍侯发上，先谢过啦！</p>

晓渔

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>孔雀绿</i>在2010-1-23 14:18:15的发言：</b><br/>
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<p>学习啦，俩位仁兄有见地~</p></div><br/></td>
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<p><br/>方兄谦虚！</p>

晓渔

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>壶说壶有理</i>在2010-1-23 18:02:17的发言：</b><br/>
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<div>感谢好烟壶和好勺分享！<br/>支持恒德堂兄的见解！ </div><br/></td>
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<p><br/>谢谢您的欣赏！</p>

晓渔

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>舍得斋888</i>在2010-1-23 18:12:27的发言：</b><br/>
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<div><img  title="" style="ZOOM: 140%" alt="" src="http://www.zghmbbs.com/images/emot/em303.gif" onload="imgresize(this);" align="middle" border="0" dypop="中国壶迷论坛"/> </div><br/></td>
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<p>谢谢欣赏！</p>

晓渔

清 <font face="Verdana">《陈其？款椭圆小碟》<br/><br/>款识不明，请大家帮忙辨认，谢谢！<br/><br/></font>

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晓渔

【案头清玩】续贴—— 闲话慢聊

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面南背北

晓渔兄所贴盘子 超级精美 漂亮！

晓渔

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>面南背北</i>在2010-1-23 23:52:32的发言：</b><br/>
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<div>晓渔兄所贴盘子 超级精美 漂亮！ </div><br/></td>
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<p><br/>感谢面南背北兄好评！</p>

恒德堂

晓渔兄好！<br/>如果用肉眼看云母是有差别啊！<br/>用放大镜看下。多少自知！<br/>这种泥料乾隆（包括）前没有太大的差别。<br/>（据载同为公元1700年——公元1725年产物，也就是康熙39年——雍正3年。）<br/>这很有价值！谢谢！

恒德堂

晓渔兄客气了！<br/>这2小碟同类中精者！或“仁”字？杯托或勺托。<br/>另泥绘4小碟更稀！非绘画老到者不能！<br/>这几件应是同种泥料。愚感觉是人们所说的绿泥原矿！<br/>间或有紫朱星点。<br/>由于窑温和修工不同所谓呈色不一。<br/>年代我偏向雍乾。<br/>愚也在学习中，多有唐突！<br/>同好海涵！<br/><br/>

醉壶楼

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>晓渔</i>在2010-1-21 12:33:41的发言：</b><br/>
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<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>醉壶楼</i>在2010-1-21 11:04:36的发言：</b><br/>
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<p>烟壶应属当时的高贵之品,云头羹匙更是稀见之物!!!</p></div><br/></td>
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<p><br/>另：之前有劳兄台联系之杂志已经收到，再次感谢兄的热心帮助！</p></div><br/></td>
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<p>应该的，举手之劳嘛，不足挂齿！！！</p>

醉壶楼

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>晓渔</i>在2010-1-22 21:21:56的发言：</b><br/>
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<div>清 泥绘段泥碟<br/><br/>这个以前好像发过的，再贴上共大家一并参考。<br/><br/><br/><img  title="中国壶迷论坛" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.zghmbbs.com/skins/default/filetype/jpg.gif" onload="imgresize(this);" border="0"/>此主题相关图片如下1.jpg：<br/><a href="showimg.asp?BoardID=4&amp;filename=2010-1/201012221214329339.jpg" target="_blank"><img  title="" style="WIDTH: 500px; ZOOM: 120%" alt="" src="showimg.asp?BoardID=4&amp;filename=2010-1/201012221214329339.jpg" onload="imgresize(this);" border="0" dypop="中国壶迷论坛"/></a><br/><br/><br/><br/><br/><img  title="中国壶迷论坛" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.zghmbbs.com/skins/default/filetype/jpg.gif" onload="imgresize(this);" border="0"/>此主题相关图片如下9.jpg：<br/><a href="showimg.asp?BoardID=4&amp;filename=2010-1/201012221214364078.jpg" target="_blank"><img  title="" style="WIDTH: 500px; ZOOM: 130%" alt="" src="showimg.asp?BoardID=4&amp;filename=2010-1/201012221214364078.jpg" onload="imgresize(this);" border="0" dypop="中国壶迷论坛"/></a><br/></div><br/></td>
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<p>小碟印版见多，绘彩少见！</p>

晓渔

有劳恒德堂兄指教，非常感谢！<br/>几乎所有手里的标本，拿回来第一时间都会用20倍，45倍，80倍放大镜观察一下。<br/>比对后原料差别还是很明显的，这里不多赘述，有机会兄上手一观便知，握手……<br/>又拍了两张日光下和灯光下的对比，大家可以参考一下。<br/><br/>

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孔雀绿

没的说 就是个美！

恒德堂

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>孔雀绿</i>在2010-1-25 16:10:27的发言：</b><br/>
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<div>没的说 就是个美！<img  title="" alt="" src="http://www.zghmbbs.com/images/emot/em59.gif" onload="imgresize(this);" align="middle" border="0" dypop="中国壶迷论坛"/> </div><br/></td>
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