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 楼主| 发表于 2010-1-27 00:07:21 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>上海壶痴</i>在2010-1-26 20:43:40的发言:</b><br/>
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<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>恒德堂</i>在2010-1-26 13:20:40的发言:</b><br/>
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<div>"晓渔一不小心又跳进这条沟里,还把恒德堂兄带了进来,"晓渔兄说的好!<br/>谁让我们也都喜欢上这块泥巴呢?到底还是缘。这正是紫砂之魅力啊!<br/>感谢晓渔的好藏分享!特别是这缤纷的绿段!收益匪浅!感谢!<br/><br/>确实“只要谈及原料、断代众说纷纭,辩无定论”主要是缺少象晓渔兄这样的实物对比啊!<br/>要想弄清楚这类东西的精确年代需要很多佐证,但我想有时候真是有一条就足够。<br/>现实物署名的有---陈其渊(他的作品多是盘/碟/勺类)<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 史继长(他会有一些紫砂粉绿段再泥绘的作品)<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;玉川&nbsp;&nbsp; (史继长泥绘有玉川落笔,也有玉川落笔的茶罐之类)<br/>苦因没有他们的精确纪年。如果是早期作品应该到康雍,晚则可到雍乾。断代的困扰无奈。<br/>真是一俩句话说不清,一俩个人说不定啊!再次感谢晓渔的好藏分享!谢谢!!! </div><br/></td>
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<p>老大 能谈谈玉川这人吗 一直搞明白是谁</p></div><br/></td>
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<p>旁听,一并受教……</p>
 楼主| 发表于 2010-1-26 23:55:55 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>蠡风堂</i>在2010-1-26 2:55:27的发言:</b><br/>
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<div>精美绝伦!张兄好藏。 </div><br/></td>
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<p><br/>哪里,还请蠡风堂兄多多指教才是!</p>
 楼主| 发表于 2010-1-27 00:06:15 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>恒德堂</i>在2010-1-26 13:20:40的发言:</b><br/>
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<div>"晓渔一不小心又跳进这条沟里,还把恒德堂兄带了进来,"晓渔兄说的好!<br/>谁让我们也都喜欢上这块泥巴呢?到底还是缘。这正是紫砂之魅力啊!<br/>感谢晓渔的好藏分享!特别是这缤纷的绿段!收益匪浅!感谢!<br/><br/>确实“只要谈及原料、断代众说纷纭,辩无定论”主要是缺少象晓渔兄这样的实物对比啊!<br/>要想弄清楚这类东西的精确年代需要很多佐证,但我想有时候真是有一条就足够。<br/>现实物署名的有---陈其渊(他的作品多是盘/碟/勺类)<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 史继长(他会有一些紫砂粉绿段再泥绘的作品)<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;玉川&nbsp;&nbsp; (史继长泥绘有玉川落笔,也有玉川落笔的茶罐之类)<br/>苦因没有他们的精确纪年。如果是早期作品应该到康雍,晚则可到雍乾。断代的困扰无奈。<br/>真是一俩句话说不清,一俩个人说不定啊!再次感谢晓渔的好藏分享!谢谢!!! </div><br/></td>
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<p><br/>窥一斑可见全貌,小弟对于断代纪年的考证不过皮毛,恒德堂兄才是积学深厚的前辈。<br/>在此非常感谢恒德堂兄不吝笔墨赐教,晓渔将带着兄的见解继续赏物于蔽廬,乐此不疲……<br/><br/></p>
 楼主| 发表于 2010-1-27 00:06:31 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>亮度21</i>在2010-1-26 14:08:58的发言:</b><br/>
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<div>少见的东西,蛮精致 </div><br/></td>
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<p><br/>谢谢欣赏!</p>
发表于 2010-1-28 20:59:40 | 显示全部楼层
俩位兄好!<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 玉川落笔见有泥绘也有堆泥,愚看到乾隆中以上或到康熙晚。一孔之见!<br/>玉川子其它我一无所知。兄台不要见笑,我在看年代上宁可往低看,<br/>因为我缺少充分的理由,仅此。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 谢谢!
发表于 2010-1-28 21:22:31 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>恒德堂</i>在2010-1-28 20:59:40的发言:</b><br/>
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<div>俩位兄好!<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 玉川落笔见有泥绘也有堆泥,愚看到乾隆中以上或到康熙晚。一孔之见!<br/>玉川子其它我一无所知。兄台不要见笑,我在看年代上宁可往低看,<br/>因为我缺少充分的理由,仅此。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 谢谢! </div><br/></td>
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发表于 2010-1-28 22:26:09 | 显示全部楼层
<p>玉川子其实是茶仙卢仝的号,后世茶具上使用,皆是托款。<br/><br/>欣赏一件东西,判断其年代,最重要的是气息与韵味,云母,石英等物,实在不是紫砂为人欣赏的原因。多行其道,难免入魔。</p>
发表于 2010-1-28 22:30:19 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>非壶</i>在2010-1-28 22:26:09的发言:</b><br/>
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<p>玉川子其实是茶仙卢仝的号,后世茶具上使用,皆是托款。<br/><br/>欣赏一件东西,判断其年代,最重要的是气息与韵味,云母,石英等物,实在不是紫砂为人欣赏的原因。多行其道,难免入魔。</p></div><br/></td>
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<p>好!</p>
发表于 2010-1-28 22:51:25 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>非壶</i>在2010-1-28 22:26:09的发言:</b><br/>
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<p>玉川子其实是茶仙卢仝的号,后世茶具上使用,皆是托款。<br/><br/>欣赏一件东西,判断其年代,最重要的是气息与韵味,云母,石英等物,实在不是紫砂为人欣赏的原因。多行其道,难免入魔。</p></div><br/></td>
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<p>气息与韵味..<font face="Verdana">才是我们欣赏器物的所在...<font face="Verdana">它能给人带来美感!</font></font></p>
 楼主| 发表于 2010-1-30 00:27:46 | 显示全部楼层
<p>明 凤首大勺<br/><br/>感谢台湾唐人工艺黄健亮先生提供佐证——2008南京博物院紫砂珍品展展出紫砂标本,证明此凤首勺出自明代晚期。<br/><br/></p>

【案头清玩】续贴—— 闲话慢聊

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 楼主| 发表于 2010-1-30 00:28:24 | 显示全部楼层

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发表于 2010-1-30 00:45:48 | 显示全部楼层
<p>也看明!!!</p>
 楼主| 发表于 2010-1-30 01:19:06 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>醉壶楼</i>在2010-1-30 0:45:48的发言:</b><br/>
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<p>也看明!!!</p></div><br/></td>
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<p><br/>谢小醉兄指教!</p>
发表于 2010-1-30 01:49:48 | 显示全部楼层
<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>pj</i>在2010-1-28 22:51:25的发言:</b><br/>
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<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>非壶</i>在2010-1-28 22:26:09的发言:</b><br/>
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<p>玉川子其实是茶仙卢仝的号,后世茶具上使用,皆是托款。<br/><br/>欣赏一件东西,判断其年代,最重要的是气息与韵味,云母,石英等物,实在不是紫砂为人欣赏的原因。多行其道,难免入魔。</p></div><br/></td>
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<p>气息与韵味..<font face="Verdana">才是我们欣赏器物的所在...<font face="Verdana">它能给人带来美感!</font></font></p></div><br/></td>
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<p>加上器物的艺术创造力和表现力。</p>
发表于 2010-1-30 12:31:05 | 显示全部楼层
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